Showing posts with label Ross Douthat. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Ross Douthat. Show all posts

Sunday, October 19, 2025

How Super Bowl LX should be informing American Catholics why the populist far right will betray them as soon as it gets a chance.

Last weekend we ran Catholic Ross Douthat's interview with Doug Wilson.  In his interview Douthat kept trying to pin Wilson down on whether there was a place for Catholics in Wilson's vision of a Calvinist theocratic United States. Wilson came down on yes, but he hedged his bets a fair amount.

The real answer to whether members of the New Apostolic Reformation feel that was has been provided by Super Bowl LX.

I don't like football at all.  I won't be watching the halftime game which I always find to be much like professional football itself, grossly overblown.  But it does provide a weathervane to the culture.  The music associated with professional football shows very much who football feels to be the up and coming audience.

The performer chosen was "Bad Bunny".

Bad Bunny is one Benito Antonio Martínez Ocasio.  He was born in Puerto Rico.  He sings in Spanish.

Well the late Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA is having none of it.  It's going to offer its own  “All American Halftime Show”.

Oscasio is an American.  Puerto Ricans have been since March 2, 1917.  They're fully American, and frankly, Puerto Rico ought to be granted statehood, there being absolutely no good reason for it not being a U.S. State at this point.  And, Oscasio is a Christian.  He's a Catholic, whose mother is apparently very devout.

Here's the thing.  Turning Point USA is exhibiting a populist far right Freudian Slip.  Some members of the organization are just too ignorant to know either of these points, but some know them and don't believe that Puerto Ricans are "real" Americans, or that Catholics are Christians.

The last point is particularly ironic.  Lots in the Evangelical far right like to say they're "Bible Believing" Christians, by which they mean sola scriptura Christians. Sola Scriptura is itself Biblically indefensible as St. Paul informed the Thessalonians that they should stand firm in the "traditions" that they had been brought, indicating that there were in fact traditions already.  We know now what those traditions were, as Christians had been writing many of them down in other texts  that didn't end up in the Bible almost from the very beginning.  But more ironic yet is this, the Bible is a Catholic book.

This isn't a matter for debate.  It just is.  We know how the books of the Bible came about, who wrote them, and what they believed.  There was, at the time, just one "holy, catholic and apostolic church", and that was the Catholic Church.  You can add the Orthodox churches to this list today as they directly descend from it.  But in a strict sense, members of various Evangelical churches don't fit into this category.  Indeed, fear of not fitting into it by various Protestant groups has lead some of them to claim membership all along, such as various branches of the Lutheran, Anglican and Methodist churches. They don't dispute that the Catholics and Orthodox are direct descendants of the original Catholic Church, and indeed, they agree that the Catholic Church is the uninterrupted Christian church that Christ founded.  Evangelical churches that don't hold that view are frankly ignorant on this point.

But they are persistent in their ignorance.  So much so, that many of them don't believe that the original Christians, the Catholics, are Christians at all.

We put the Bible together, and the New Testament was written by inspired Catholic authors, but they ignore that.

As I've noted before, and as Wilson conceded, this is a Protestant nation and moreover Wilson was also right that it was founded as a Calvinist one.  That's a major reason that for much of this country's history the Irish, Italians, and other Catholics were detested and even regarded as a separate race.  It's part of why Hispanics are regarded as a separate race today.  Stripped of his fishing tackle piercings, Bad Bunny could look like a Spanish Conquistador. . . not a "Pilgrim".   

Something about the election of Barrack Obama really brought out latent racism in this country.  The Obergefell decision really unleashed a deep dormant conservatism in the population, but one that followed the American Civil Religion rather than real Christianity.  The New Apostolic Reformation took advantage of that and has been advancing its cause under the radar, until recently, when it started doing it more openly, although still not so openly that the fact that we're in the midst of a Christian Nationalist coup right now is appreciated.  Quite a few conservative Catholics, not really well schooled in what far right Evangelical Christians believe, or just badly catechized themselves, have joyously gone along with it, as it seems to address, and to some degree if fact addresses, the cultural rot that has set in, in the Western world.

But it will catch up with us.

Welcome back to the Ghetto.

Friday, September 12, 2025

Charlie Kirk’s Assassination and the American Abyss | Interesting Times ...

Not surprisingly, there are piles of comments about Kirk and the meaning, if there is one, to his assassination, something made difficult by the fact the shooter has not been arrested and its beginning to look as if he might very well never be.

As previously noted, I didn't follow Kirk at all, which is probably a generational thing.  He was apparently a very significant figure amongst young Republicans, something that's addressed by this interesting NPR Politics edition:

Not having followed him at all, I'm not prepared to really form an opinion on him.  I'm not an adherent of the Latin de mortuis nihil nisi bonum maxum but more of a adherent of Ernie Pyle's soldier quote o such things, but I can't do either here.  Kirk said some horrible things, but I've seen him in debates where he was quite gracious to those who opposed his views.  I frankly suspect that he was more of a traditionalist than a true populist, or that he would have evolved that way, much like Malcolm X evolved from a Baptist, to a member of the Nation of Islam, to Islam, and I suspect was on his way back to Christianity.  It's a bit notable that Malcolm X, who certainly said some outrageous things, was 39 years old when he was assassinated.

Indeed, on this point, I saw, but I'm not endorsing, this interesting image:


I don't know that the label on this is correct, actually.  Malcolm X was killed by member of the Nation of Islam, which he'd left, and you'd have to study that to really understand it.  As noted, in terms of the truth, I think he was evolving towards it, but hadn't gotten there yet.

The two Kennedy's are example of what I've termed here the Kennedy/Guevara Effect, and was actually going to have called the Kennedy/Guevara/Wessel Effect, but I thought the latter name would be misunderstood.  Having said that, George Conway drew that analogy specifically.  It is a little different.

Anyhow, the Kennedy's were subject to what Jimmy Akin has called a "canonization", with which he includes Lincoln, by which he means they were instantly regarded as great men and near saints due to being assassinated. That's going on with Kirk right now.  The JFK in particular had massive flaws, but his getting assassinated has resulted in an absurd secular hagiography which still benefits the Kennedy family and hurts the nation.

An interesting and thoughtful clip by Douthat on Kirk.


A much different view is posted here, again taking on the secular canonization that's going on:


A miscaptioned item was published in Wyofile. Rather than "Wyoming Megadonor" it should have said "Carpetbagger from Wisconsin":


I don't doubt that the Wyofile article, which is already also in the Cowboy State Daily is correct, but it's an interesting example of The Denver Effect, which is the tendency of Denver Colorado to claim a connection with anything that occurs anywhere.

Also from Wyofile:


I hope that this does become a horrific exception  As noted in our article yesterday, murdering the outspoken is a feature of democracies that are descending into autocracy.  Which brings me to this:


I asserting this is an example of the Horst Wessel Effect, but I'm not comparing Kirk to Wessel.  What I'm noting is the latching on to a murdered figure in order to intentionally make the person into a political martyr.  I don't know if Trump is doing that or not.  He's not a very smart man anymore and is demented, as we noted again yesterday.

Another interesting item:


The following is worth noting as contrary to what the MAGA right is claiming right now, there have been a lot of weird killings and acts of political violence.  I noted to a very right wing friend this and asserted the January 6 riots as the first one, with which he countered with the BLM/Floyd protests prior to that.  He has a point.  Anyhow, over the last several years we've had right wing wackos attempting to kidnap a Governor,  the January 6 Insurrection, the murder of Democrats in Minnesota, and now this.  The criticism here is valid.


Indeed, while I saw that some government employee was canned for saying the same thing, I don't think flags should be flown at half staff.  I don't think they should be for the deaths of local politicians or school shootings either.

Regarding the government, Kash Patel is now in Utah and at yesterday's press conference he had a deer in the headlights look, but then he often does.  Coming into office as political figure who was going to wreak havoc on and with the FBI, now the FBI has a real crime to solve and he better not blow it.  In the same agency, Dan Bongino re emerged after retiring to his home over the Epstein scandal and Trump's big change in attitudes on that.

We need to take a look at what Kirk means in the culture and its politics.  But this isn't the best place to do so, so we'll follow up on that in a subsequent thread.

Related threads:

Sunday, July 20, 2025

Cliffnotes of the Zeitgeist, 99th edition. A second Perverts and Fellow Travelers Issue.

The following has the best explanation I've heard of the entire Epstein story:


Granted, there's obviously a lot we don't know about Epstein, but what this basically leaves us with is that probably two administrations have kept the full story secret as there's members of the wealthy and political class who would be hurt by the full revelation. That doesn't necessarily mean that Trump is one of them, but it probably means he knows more than one.

The wealthy and powerful protect their own.

The stuff needs to come out.  A lot of young women seem to have been passed around like party favors and used, and they've never received justice. They're afraid to come out now, after what those who have, have received.

And also this:


As a slight addition, I think the video, while not directly addressing it, puts to bed the conspiracy theories about Epstein's suicide.  He'd gotten away with a prior conviction related to kiddy diddling due to powerful connections.  He wasn't going to this time.

And, by the way, this entire matter is a first rate example of investigative journalism.

On a sort of related item, but only in terms of sexual misconduct, Astronomer AI company CEO has resigned following having taken a tryst to a Cold Play concert.

Why?

No, I don't think he should have been cheating on his spouse, but why does that matter for a CEO of a company I've never heard of, when it doesn't matter for those in high public office, or for those who are ultra wealthy?

Double standards, to be sure.

And indeed, that applies to the first item as well.  Men get prosecuted for sex with minors all the time.  Rich men, however, don't.  They should be.

Last edition: