Showing posts with label Camp Fire Girls. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Camp Fire Girls. Show all posts

Friday, July 26, 2024

Saturday, July 26, 1924. Other around the world flights.

Argentinian pilot Pedro Zanni and mechanic Felipe Beltrame began their rather belated attempt to fly around the world.


Larry Estridge became the last person to win the World Colored Middleweight Championship, defeating title holder Panama Joe Gans in a 10-round bout at Yankee Stadium.  Segregation of titles by race would thereafter rightfully be abandoned.

The KKK held a rally in Issaquah, Washington that drew at least 13,000 people.

The weekly magazines were out.

The Saturday Evening Post with a girl who had a scouting uniform of some type, or perhaps was wearing an oddly colored representation of  Navy white shirt, with red instead of blue.


Country Gentleman had a classic of a draft team.



Thursday, June 17, 2021

Friday June 17, 1921. Gatherings

On this day in 1921, the Hardings met with some Camp Fire Girls.



 

While it seems late in the season for, there were also graduations with honorary degrees.


A retired, from rebellion, Pancho Villa was photographed on his hacienda with some of his employees.


Monday, July 30, 2018

So, having babbled about Boy Scout uniforms, perhaps I should address the Girl Scouts as well.


 Extremely serious looking Girl Scout with semiphore flags, 1920.

And indeed, I just sort of recently did^:

We've discussed Boy Scout uniforms and caps. . . so we should take a look at the Girl Scouts. "“Activities at the Girl Scouts Camp, Central Valley, New York. Line of the Girl Scouts waiting their turn to get their wash basins full of water at the water pipes.” July 21, 1918.


But I don't know much about them.

Girls Scouts on July 21, 1918.  Note the semi military uniforms, which pretty closely reflect the uniforms adopted by female auxiliaries of various types providing service during the Great War.
  (Note, I think the photograph above might include both Girl Scouts and Camp Fire Girls.  I'm not sure, but now that I know a little more about these uniforms, I think that's likely the case.  About this time the organizations attempted to merge).
Except there's few hats in evidence.  Indeed, only one.

Is that a sailor's Dixie Cap?
The problem is that I don't know anything about female costume.

Now, let me first note that I'm not trying to use a dismissive term in referring to female dress as "costume".  I'm using the term in the larger sense, as in clothing and fashion.  And, in regards to that, I don't know anything about female fashions at all, other than that a lot of them are really darned weird.

Indeed, for that reason, I've rarely strayed into the topic.  My most notable example of doing it was in regards to an item that was developed from a Reddit topic on "100 Years Ago" , that started off:

Women and Trousers. No big historical deal, or the triumph of the harpies in trousers?

 
 This overalls wearing lass, whom is portrayed an industrial giant (take that, Rosie the Riveter) is wearing overalls, albeit one of the baggiest pairs of overalls ever.  She's also wearing a canvass cap to cover her hair, with hair styles being voluminous at the time.  She doesn't look very happy, we might note.
From Reddit's 100 Years Ago Today Subreddit:

Munich Authorities Put Ban On Bloomers

Military Aroused Because Women Have Been Wearing Them To Church

So reported the New York Times.

A review of the article reveals that Bavarian authorities were appalled by women taking up trousers, which they'd done as they were working in male roles given World War One.  Perhaps they were feeling like Rooster Cogburn in True Grit by that time of the war:
And that very long post from last February goes on from there.

Women are over half of the American population and while I'm not completely certain, I think they were in the period of time this blog focuses on as well. Knowing that off hand is a little difficult as there are varying factors at play in regards to human mortality that impact that statistic.  Prior to the mid 19th Century, for example, men tended to outnumber women as death during childbirth was extremely  high.  In the 18th Century it was enormously common for men to be married two or three times during their lifetime simply for that reason.  Men of means quite often tended to marry women near their own ages and then marry progressively younger spouses as their first ones died in that fashion where as by the last 19th Century things had changed so much that in the same demographic remarrying due to that was regarded as somewhat shameful.  Having said that, starting in the mid 19th Century industrial deaths, nearly all male, started to ramp up so much due to industrialization that the rate of households headed by a single female became approximately as common as they are today, simply due to that.

All of which has nothing to do with clothing.

Or maybe it does.  I'm not sure.

But it does mean that not addressing female clothing is ignoring at least half of the population, a pretty big historical omission.

Adding to our problem, however, is the fact that female clothing evolved at an amazing rapid rate.  It's simply incredible.  In comparison, male clothing evolved hardly at all.  On this topic, I recently posted an item on the same subreddit asking the question of why women's clothing had evolved so quickly between World War One and World War Two.  A knowledgeable poster came back and noted that my time frame observations were simply incorrect.  Women's clothing was evolving extremely rapidly prior to World War One and just kept on evolving.

And Girl Scouts uniforms are part of that, or reflect it. . . but maybe less than we might suppose.

Indeed, because that is the case, and because its just part of a bigger story, I likely should discuss women's clothing first.

But I'm not going to.

Okay, so let's take a look at Girl Scout uniforms . . and in so doing, let's take a look first at the Girl Scouts.

The Girl Scouts date, more or less, to March 12, 1912 when they were first founded by Juliette Gordon Low.

Juliette Gordon Low not dressed in a Scouting uniform and bearing no resemblance to Lord Baden Powell.

Mrs. Low was a Southerner, but with Chicago roots oddly enough, of a patrician background and had the values associated with that class.  Born in 1860, she was born into the Civil War and grew up, therefore, mostly in the post war American South.  She was highly educated and attended the University of Oxford in the United Kingdom, where she met her husband Gordon.  Their marriage was not happy, but was sort of a characteristically English one, in which her husband depleted his assets with hunting trips and gambling. By 1900 they were basically on the outs and were in the process of obtaining a divorce, when he died in 1905.

Low, much later, with two Girl Guides

Low descended from pioneer stock in part and had outdoor interests.  More than that, however, she had met and been influenced by Lord Baden Powell. We've already dealt with Powell in various posts about the Boy Scouts, so we'll forget that here, but it's interesting to note that at the very first, while the Boy Scouts were devoted to the manly, Christian, upbringing of boys, they didn't actually at first exclude girls  It's just that their activities were not thought of as terribly feminine and camping, as a female pursuit, was not common.  Still, there was enough interest on the part of girls (and presumably their parents) that a 1909 Boy Scout publication complained a bit on social restrictions imposed on girls and it made at least camping difficult for them, when it noted; "If a girl is not allowed to run, or even hurry, to swim, ride a bike, or raise her arms above her head, how can she become a Scout?"

How indeed?

In spite of this girls did register with the very early British Boy Scouts at first, making our earlier comments regarding the all male Boy Scouts slightly, although only slightly, suspect.  This came to an end in 1909 however when British newspaper commentary scandalized it.  Lord Baden Powell therefore asked his sister, Agnes Baden-Powell, to form the companion organization for girls, which  was formed as the Girl Guides.*   The focus of the organization can, in some ways, be illustrated by an early book by the Baden Powells regarding them.

The Handbook for Girl Guides with its obvious British Empire focus. The uniform the Guide is depicted as wearing was in fact the one they wore and which some American Girl Scouts wore for a long time.

Okay, at this point, a lot of this probably is starting to sound painfully familiar, and that's because I've covered part of it before, although only briefly and not really in depth. Nonetheless, rather than repeat what I wrote earlier, I'm just going to link back into it here:









The Scouts, both Girl and Boy, had competition right from the onset.  Sure proof that Lord Baden Powell had tapped into something is provided by the fact that copycat organizations sprung up right away.  Most of these  organizations rose and fell pretty quickly, and most of them were pretty much copies of the Scouts but without the large organization backing it up and the all that went with it. So its' not too surprising that they didn't last all that long.  Some were a little more militaristic than the Scouts, particularly early on, and emphasized things like shooting, although that was an aspect of the Scouts as well.  I won't, therefore, dwell much with them.  I will note, however, that oddly enough the Boy Scouts itself competed a bit against it self in this area when, in 1912, it organized the Sea Scouts, a youth organization that was focused on the sea and seafaring skills, but which very clearly modeled itself on the Navy in uniform and early appearance, showing how close to being a quasi private military training organization the Scouts really were.

Taking this forward the Scouts remained really strong for a really long time.  I don't know what percentage of American youth belonged to the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts, etc., but it seems to have been a fairly large percentage.  As recently as the 1950s it seems to me that there was sort of an assumption that boys and girls became Scouts.  Even as recently as the 1970s quite a few were, although I was only a Boy Scout myself for a few months (so few that I usually say I was never a Scout, too few to really count).

Well there I guess you have the organizations early days.  And to some extent, depending upon where you are, all of these organizations are still around. There aren't Girl Guides in the US, but there are elsewhere. And the Camp Fire Girls are still around.

What you've perhaps also noticed is that the clothing designated for these organizations was. . well odd.

 Girl Scouts building a fire while camping in 1912.  Quite obviously, whatever the official uniform was, these girls were dressed up in a fashion resembling Indians, and had their hair braided for the same reason.

Indeed, in looking at photos of early Girl Scouts what becomes clear is that whatever the uniform was supposed to be, more often than not somebody decided to have no uniform at all (understandable) or to dress them up like Indians, which fit into a certain cultural thing going on at the time, but which is strange.

 Very early Girl Scouts before their uniforms had really become fully standardized, learning to shoot.

Officially, at the very first, English Girl Guides wore a uniform that was militaristic in nature and based on the Boy Scouts, but with a skirt. The depicting on the book inserted above gives a really good illustration of that.  The campaign hat yielded nearly immediately, however, to a different pattern, but it was still there.  It always featured a skirt of some sort, however.

 Early Girl Scout learning archery in the standard early uniform but wearing a Montana Peak type campaign hat.

Now, we already, as noted above, have a long post on women and trousers.  I'm not going to go back and redo all that here, but I'll note just from the onset that it isn't true that women didn't wear trouser at all up until some point in the mid 20th Century.  That's baloney.  But it is the case that in most cultures they didn't until starting in the late 19th Century.  I went into that there.

 Girl Scouts working in a garden, probably during World War One.  Most of these girls have the early pattern campaign hat.  Gardening was emphasized in American society during the Great War and both Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts actively took it up.

Trousers are obviously better for camping, and I'd argue that they're better for everything, so it is odd to us to today to see camping girls wearing skirts.  Indeed, in a modern context, it'd be completely absurd.  But it wasn't so much the case at the time, and if you view the photographs we've put of women in service and quasi service during World War One, you'll find the exact some thing.  Indeed, what you'll also find is that this is the point in time, the early 20th Century and late 19th Century, when trousers started coming in for women.  Indeed, the Great War played a role in that, but due to factory work, not due to wartime field service.  So again, you'd think that Girl Scout uniforms wouldn't have been so darned impractical looking. . . to our eyes.

 A Washington D. C. Girl Scout troop gardening during World War One.  One of these Scouts has departed from the uniform and is wearing a campaign hat.

More than a little of that was just cultural, and indeed all of these female youth organizations are a bit of an oddity for that reason as women and camping just wasn't a thing, and for real reasons.  Without going into it in huge detail, camping fits into a male role that's on the hunting/fighting/fighting sliding scale that's embedded deep in the male genetic code and which Lord Baden Powell was trying to foster in a Christian sense.  This is not to say, rather obviously, that women don't like to camp.  Anyhow, as the article on women in trousers explores, women didn't usually wear trousers that much until this point in time, and it came on kind of slowly.

 Girl Scouts selling war bonds with Alice (Roosevelt) Longworth, 1917.  All the women's clothing in this photograph was set to be rapidly obsolete.

One thing that I didn't address there (as I'm not an expert on the topic and it didn't occur to me), however, and I'm not going to really address here either particularly in this context, is that women's undergarments and related stuff evolved a lot in this period of time as well and in a fashion that allowed women to wear pants every day.  Enough said about that, but that's an aspect of this that is simply forgotten entirely. Female clothing featured fairly long skirts for a long time not because it was keeping women down, but because of various concerns that relate to biology and decency.  Enough said on that.

 Camping Girl Scouts, 1919.

But women's clothing was evolving in this period with lightening speed.  Oddly, Girl Scout uniforms really didn't.  It's weird.

 Girl Scout in full uniform with outdoor gear in the 1920s.  Here too this Scout has retained the M1911 type campaign hat.

Thankfully they did get over the Indian maiden thing, which was really silly.  The first official uniform looked a lot like that of the English Girl Guides, and featured a homemade dark blue blouse and skirt with sateen ties, felt campaign hats, and long black stockings.  Ties were had entered women's clothing at the time and were pretty popular, although I'll note that they are one horrific item of male clothing that women were able to dump and not be afflicted with.  It's interesting to note that the uniform was homemade, which shows right from the onset how the focus of the organization was different and at that time domestic.

Girl Scout leaders wore a different, not homemade, uniform of dark khaki, serge, or twill with a tailored shirt and a silk tie in a four-in-hand knot. Their uniform included a trefoil pin worn just below the knot of the tie which signified the Girl Scouts Promise: "To serve God and your country, to help people at all times, and to live by the Girl Scout law"^^^ which showed the focus of the organization and which leaned heavily on the focus of the Boy Scouts.

Girl Scouts marching in a Memorial Day parade, 1944.

Changing more rapidly than the Boy Scouts, but always with a seeming domestic focus, in the economically stretched 1930s the Girl Scouts introduced a very simple one piece cotton dress in light green. This introduced their distinctive color and also reflected a very real fashion change in female clothing.  Simple dresses were now pretty common whereas in the 1910s and 1920s they were a bit more complicated and included more fabric.  They also introduced the green beret which they've kept ever since.  A Girl Scout of the 1930s would be pretty recognizable as a Girl Scout now, in fact, as the common mental preception of them was fixed at about that time.  This changed again in the 1940s and a yellow tie was added, with the introduction of uniform that was a bit more elaborate and which I suspect was due to the poverty of the Great Depression being introduced. Also at this time a seperate unfiorm was created for hte junior organization, the Brownies, but I'm going to omit that discussion as, juast as with the Cub Scouts, I find it too dull.

 Girl Scouts learning to knit, 1942.

Still the interesting thing here is that during the 1930s women's trouser really were coming in and very common.  A lot of that is due to the introuction of much more practical undergarments I'm not going to discuss, but by the 1930s women were frequently wearing work and dress trousers.  It's really strange that an organizaton that theoretically had an outdoor focus didn't go to them, or even have an official issue of them, but that tells you a lot.  At the same point in time in which the Boy Scouts were abandoning their World War One Army type unform in favor of a World War Two type Army uniofrm, the Girl Scouts were sticking with dresses.  The focus remained domestic.

 Girl Scouts setting table, 1931.

And so it was in the 1950s and 60s as well.  In the 50s a loose big green one piece dress was introduced and a version of it stuck through the 60s. The big green sash for merit badges came in. The beret stuck around.  In the 70s, 80s and 90s this all remained true and versions of the earlier uniforms were around always with a green skirt of some sort and a sash.  But by that time, as with the Boy Scouts, the practice had evolved to let girls wear just one item and that meant that they could wear something more practical.  It wasn't until the 2000s, however, that there were official trousers.

Girl Scouts picking up trash in the Potomac, 1970s.  I think this is likely a pretty good example of how Girl Scouts really dressed when outdoors, at least since the 1950s.

So, in posting all of this, as weird as it may sound, I realized that, well. . .  I don't really know what the Girl Scouts are about.  I don't know what they've ever been about.

I do know what the Boy Scouts are about because, . . . well maybe because I'm a guy and I was in the Boy Scouts for about 3.5 seconds and I'm otherwise just much more familiar with them.  The Boy Scouts, even though I was never one of them for any appreciable amount of time, seem sort of an obvious organization to me, in context.  As a mirror image of the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts strike me that way too, but they obviously actually aren't a mirror image of the Boy Scouts.

They did, sort of, start off that way. And the early photos of them I posted above really show that.  But what about their texts?

Well, let's see what Load Baden Powell had to say in their 1919 manual:

"How did Scouting come to be used by girls?" That is what I have been asked. Well, it was this way. In the beginning I had used Scouting—that is, wood craft, handiness, and cheery helpfulness—as a means for training young soldiers when they first joined the army, to help them become handy, capable men and able to hold their own with anyone instead of being mere drilled machines.
You have read about the Wars in your country against the Red Indians, of the gallantry of your soldiers against the cunning of the Red Man, and what is more, of the pluck of your women on those dangerous frontiers.
Well, we have had much the same sort of thing in South Africa. Over and over again I have seen there the wonderful bravery and resourcefulness of the women when the tribes of Zulu or Matabeles have been out on the war path against the white settlers.
In the Boer war a number of women volunteered to help my forces as nurses or otherwise; they were full of pluck and energy, but unfortunately they had never been trained to do anything, and so with all the good-will in the world they were of no use. I could not help feeling how splendid it would be if one could only train them in peace time in the same way one trained the young soldiers—that is, through Scoutcraft.
I afterwards took to training boys in that way, but I had not been long at it before the girls came along, and offered to do the very thing I had hoped for, they wanted to take up Scouting also.
They did not merely want to be imitators of the boys; they wanted a line of their own.
So I gave them a smart blue uniform and the names of "Guides" and my sister wrote an outline of the scheme. The name Guide appealed to the British girls because the pick of our frontier forces in India is the Corps of Guides. The term cavalry or infantry hardly describes it since it is composed of all-round handy men ready to take on any job in the campaigning line and do it well.
Then too, a woman who can be a good and helpful comrade to her brother or husband or son along the path of life is really a guide to him.
The name Guide therefore just describes the members of our sisterhood who besides being handy and ready for any kind of duty are also a jolly happy family and likely to be good, cheery comrades to their mankind.
The coming of the Great War gave the Girl Guides their opportunity, and they quickly showed the value of their training by undertaking a variety of duties which made them valuable to their country in her time of need.
My wife, Lady Baden-Powell, was elected by the members to be the Chief Guide, and under her the movement has gone ahead at an amazing pace, spreading to most foreign countries.
It is thanks to Mrs. Juliette Low, of Savannah, that the movement was successfully started in America, and though the name Girl Scouts has there been used it is all part of the same sisterhood, working to the same ends and living up to the same Laws and Promise.
If all the branches continue to work together and become better acquainted with each other as they continue to become bigger it will mean not only a grand step for the sisterhood, but what is more important it will be a real help toward making the new League of Nations a living force.
How can that be? In this way:
If the women of the different nations are to a large extent members of the same society and therefore in close touch and sympathy with each other, although belonging to different countries, they will make the League a real bond not merely between the Governments, but between the Peoples themselves and they will see to it that it means Peace and that we have no more of War.
Not quite the same as the Boy Scouts, and indeed, sort of set focused against it in a way.

Well, the old post on their original merit badges shows a subtle difference.  Consider:

GIRL SCOUT PROFICIENCY TESTS AND SPECIAL MEDALS




I. Introduction to Proficiency Tests.
II. Proficiency Tests:

 *** Subjects marked thus are specially recommended for First Class Scouts or girls at least sixteen years old.

 **** Subjects marked thus are for Scouts eighteen years and over.
At least as of 1919, their manual had a focus on domestic things, but it also had one on woodcraft. That seems to me to sort of define it.  It was a mirror image of the Boy Scouts, without the implied martial air, and with a focus on domestic life that reflected social views regarding a woman's role in the world.  It wasn't sexist in that fashion, and indeed in some ways the concept of women outdoorsmen doing such things as hunting and fishing, etc., was fairly radical.

Over time, I think, it continued to have that focus and I think it still does today.  Maybe its because I know less about it, but it seems to me that it's managed to stay truer to itself somehow.  Which may be why when the Boy Scouts recently opened their doors to girls, the Girl Scouts sort of laughed under their breath and replied that they were the organization for girls.   They always were.
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^FWIW, an early post on this blog which featured Girl Scout merit badges was hugely popular at the time and was one of the most popular posts on the blog for a long time.  So we haven't completely ignored the topic.

^^Okay, I realize that this was a different time, but having girls dress this way for an outdoor activity is and was darned near criminal.  Particularly for girls in a boat.  This is crazy.

*The sort of strange Englishness of the early Scouts, male and female, is epitomized by the Baden Powell family. We've dealt with Lord Baden Powell before, but it's interesting to note in this context that he did not marry until he was 55 years old, to a woman who was 23.  There's been widespread speculation about his being a homosexual, but it seems largely unwarranted and the marriage genuine.  Nonetheless a marriage that late in life to somebody so much younger is a bit unusual.  They had three children.

Agnes Baden Powell had been engaged early in life but never married.

They were both children of the  Reverend Baden Powell, the Savilian Professor of Geometry at the University of Oxford, and an Anglican clergyman.  Typical of the era, and illustrative of a point raised above regarding female mortality, the Reverand Baden Powell was married three times and had fourteen children, only nine of whom lived to adulthood.  His first wife died after the childless couple had been married fifteen years.  He had children by his next two wives, the second of which died after seven years of marriage.  His third wife outlived him.

^^^At least in 1919, the Girl Scout Law was:
 LAWS
IA Girl Scout's Honor is to be Trusted
IIA Girl Scout is Loyal
IIIA Girl Scout's Duty is to be Useful and to Help Others
IVA Girl Scout is a Friend to All and a Sister to every other Girl Scout
VA Girl Scout is Courteous
VIA Girl Scout is a Friend to Animals
VIIA Girl Scout obeys Orders
VIIIA Girl Scout is Cheerful
IXA Girl Scout is Thrifty
XA Girl Scout is Clean in Thought, Word and Deed




Saturday, July 21, 2018

We've discussed Boy Scout uniforms and caps. . . so we should take a look at the Girl Scouts. "“Activities at the Girl Scouts Camp, Central Valley, New York. Line of the Girl Scouts waiting their turn to get their wash basins full of water at the water pipes.” July 21, 1918.


But I don't know much about them.

Girls Scouts on July 21, 1918.  Note the semi military uniforms, which pretty closely reflect the uniforms adopted by female auxiliaries of various types providing service during the Great War.

Except there's few hats in evidence.  Indeed, only one.

Is that a sailor's Dixie Cap?

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Addendum: 

I followed up on this thread with a new one actually on the evolution of Girl Scouts uniforms:

So, having babbled about Boy Scout uniforms, perhaps I should address the Girl Scouts as well.

And, in looking that up, I think I've come to the conclusion that the 1918 photograph that is featured in this photograph shows very early American Girl Scouts and Camp Fire Girls.  The white uniforms are probably Camp Fire Girls. The Camp Fire Girls were originally supposed to be a female version of the Boy Scouts and at this point in time there was a serious effort to unite the two organizations.  That effort ultimately fell apart, but my guess is that this camp had girls from both groups in anticipation of them being united.