Lex Anteinternet: Sunday Morning Scene. Religion in the military.: The Department of Defense scaled back its list of recognized religions. There were 211, now there are 31. Here is the full list: Agnostic...
So, in our last installment of this, we sort of defended Pete Hegseth's Department of Defense. But we have to ask, is there more to this story?
Probably not. The classification is correct. Mormons are in fact not Christians in the fashion that Christians would define the faith. Mormons of course disagree, which is there right.
And some feel that more is going on.
Under new military guidance from Pete Hegseth, the LDS Church is officially classified as a non-Christian religion. My fellow Saints, you can love these Christian nationalists all you want, but they will not love you back.
"Dem Saints" is a really good and irreverent group made up of Mormon Democrats.
Yes, there are Mormon Democrats.
Branding their irreverence is the use of the "Dem Saints" name, which is really borrowing from Louisiana Catholics, whom minstrels' lampooned with the line "Who dat, who dat, who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?" In the second half of the 20th Century it got picked up as a line boosting the New Orleans Saints football club.
That there are Democratic Mormons shouldn't be surprising. In most regions of the country they are actually a little known faith, but where they are strongly represented they are in all walks of life and all stations of education. Most Mormons are fairly conservative of a rule, but in no way shape or form does that mean they're all part of the far right. "Dem Saints" are probably what used to be regarded as middle of the road Republicans in the West. Of those I know fairly well, all are in the GOP but none of them are in the far right.
Dem Saints aren't the only ones taking note of this. Deseret Mike Lee, whose radical right wing political positions are highly informed by his being a devout Mormon is absolutely freaking out, noting:
I’m a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints My church membership is inextricably intertwined with my Christianity, as it is for 17 million other Latter-day Saints Regardless of what the Pentagon thinks
Lee has absolutely hitched his wagon to Donald Trump. I've written about him here before, but his views are radially different than Dem Saints, and probably for the most part radically different in terms of religious views. We've discussed Mike Lee in that context before, and won't replough that ground, but a good guess is that Lee, like Mike Johnson and Pete Hegseth, is highly informed and often extremely motivated by a unique religious view of the United States and its mission, as he conceives of it. He'd fit into a minority group of Mormon's in that sense, just as Hegseth and Johnson do as to Christians. The difference here is that his view, if I'm correct, and I may not be, would be vastly different than the overwhelming majority of Americans, and probably the majority of Mormons.
Hegseth in particular has been the public face of the New Apostolic Reformation and there's no place for Mormons in it. For that matter, there's no place for Catholics or Orthodox in it either.
The question is whether Deseret Mike is too besotted with Trump to realize that. Based on his surprise to this reclassification, which likely isn't motivated by people like Hegseth viewing Mormons as really not counting, it would appear so.
Lee just totally freaked out and posted over 37 time over 24 hours on Twitter. Eventually he got an audience with Trump on the telephone, and reported back.
I just got off the phone with President Trump We discussed the Pentagon’s “Christian list” I won’t speak for him, but I’m thrilled about where this is heading We’re most fortunate that President Trump (1) loves Latter-day Saints, and (2) is our commander in chief Stay tuned
Based on that, Trump will probably issue some babbling change to the list, but the wake up call should already be there.
Trump isn't a religious man. Trump loves himself and at this point Mormon's don't really matter to him most likely. He shouldn't presume that Trump "loves Latter-day Saints" or members of any other religion. And we're not fortunate that he's the commander in chief. If he's going to order the list changed, it's to gain a little support from a group right now that's likely shocked, and frankly to address a situation in a state, Utah, that has shown a surprising willingness at the grass roots level to rebel.
But now Lee is out there. If his shameless sycophantly doesn't pay off, it's a lesson for people who think that Trump is carrying water for you. He isn't, you are carrying water for him.
And in terms of the back channels in the administration, it's the view of Doug Wilson on what sort of religion the Latter Day Saints is that may matter more than what Trump thinks, who doesn't really have any deep thoughts about religion at all.
