An illustration by James Montgomery Flagg graced the cover of the comedic Judge, making sport of November weather, and sports.
The Saturday Evening Post just went with an illustration of contemporary beauty.
Country Gentleman had an illustration of a white turkey, but I can't find a good image of it to post.
The British government introduced legislation to restrict housing rents to their pre Great War levels following Glasgow rent strikes.
A second KKK chapter was established in Stone Mountain, Georgia, showing the rapid growth of the racist organization. Of note, a newspaper in Colorado that was black owned and operated campaigned on this day for keeping Birth of a Nation out of Colorado.
In Casper, a tragedy struck the local Catholic community with the death of Fr. McGee, who was just 27 years old.
I'd heard or read of Fr. McGee, but I didn't know anything about him, including that he died so young.
The local paper also reported that troops were headed to the border in light of the Second Battle of Nogales having just occured.
A rather grim photograph was taken of French soldiers gathering up battlefield dead, French and German.
Because this blog is steadfastly horrified by Donald Trump and his administration, it'd be easy to assume that it's run by a rampaging leftist.
It isn't.
Indeed, if you follow the thread you'll see where we come out on the right a fair amount, which in our view doesn't mean supporting fascism. I'm a conservative, not a right wing populist.
We note this, as there's been a flap over J. D. Vance's comments about hoping that his wife, Usha, converts to Catholicism, as if that's somehow inappropriate.
It isn't, and any sincere Catholic with a non Catholic spouse, which includes me, hopes for that.
Vance wasn't a political figure that I followed at all until he started to campaign for the VP slot next to Donald Trump. Frankly, I found and still find his political migration to Trumpian authoritarianism appalling. Anyhow, I knew that he was a convert to Catholicism, but I wasn't really aware of how recent of convert he is. Vance grew up in Evangelical Protestantism, which isn't surprising given his "hillbilly" background, and at least according to an interview I heard of him some time ago, his influential grandmother was of the non churched Southern type of Christian view. Vance himself was an atheist by the time he went to college By 2014, the time of his marriage, he had resumed being a non denominational Protestant Christian but he was evolving towards Catholicism by 2016. He converted to the Faith in 2019.
Vance's path is a lot more common than people suppose. Vance is an intelligent man, my numerous political disagreements with him notwithstanding, and he became an atheist in ignorance. The more educated he became, the more Christian he became, and exhibiting Cardinal Newman's Rule, that lead him ultimately to Catholicism somewhat against his own will, much like C. S. Lewis became a High Church Anglican after having been an atheist, or like G. K. Chesterton argued himself into the Faith.
Vance's path to Catholicism coincided his increasing rightward political draft and his barely camouflaged transformation into a Illiberal Democrat. He's trod the same path in that regard ad Rod Dreher, whom is a friend of his (and who is pretending, frankly, to be Orthodox). There's numerous other intellectuals on the right at this time who likewise share that distinction, such as J. R. Reno and Patrick Dineen, and amongst them are notable converts like Eva Vlaardingerbroek. Indeed, there's a notable movement amongst conservatives from Lutheran nations in this direction, even as a non political boom in conversions occurs in various areas in Europe. For cradle Catholics the association with illiberal democracy can be disturbing, and even result in outright internecine fights, but it is going on. We here will note, as we have before, that becoming politically conservative does not mean having to become a populist let alone an illiberal democrat.
Anyhow, one of the things about Catholicism is this. We are not religious pluralist. If Vance did not wish for his wife to become Catholic, he'd be a very bad Catholic.
Usha Vance is a Hindu.
Catholics believe extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. There is no salvation outside the church.
Now that's a doctrine that Catholics don't emphasize much, and often real diehard radtrad Catholics don't understand. It isn't the case that Catholics believe that only Catholics can go to Heaven. For that matter, Catholics are very far from any kind of "once saved always saved" theology and accept that a lot of Catholics might very well go to Hell. Rather, Catholics believe, as the Catechism states it:
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Vance can of course hope, and should hope, that Usha converts, as her chances of salvation are heightened. Does that mean that if she doesn't, she's damned to Hell? Well, we can't know the state of anyone's soul, but the fact that she hasn't would suggest that she's not consciously rejecting Christianity, but rather hasn't overcome something.
Vance himself should be worried about the state of his soul. Catholics reject IVF, which he's been backing, and lying on serious matters is a serious sin, which Vance has been doing at an epic level.
At any rate, Vance isn't doing the wrong thing by hoping his wife becomes Catholic. He's completely correct to wish for that, including openly.
This is, however, where the liberal side of American culture, and even the American Civil Religion, and frankly the Evangelical Christians, all come into conflict with Catholics.
At some point in American history and in American culture, and it goes back pretty far it became really common for people to be sort of religious relativist. "It doesn't matter what religion you are, as long as you are a good person." Well, it does in fact matter what religion you are, and of course you should be a good person no matter what religion you are.
Catholicism was an oppressed religion in the United State up until basically the 1960s. Open oppression of it lessened steadily in the century prior to the 60s, and in fact was intense prior to the 1860s. Catholics really kept themselves in a major way as a result, and only really began to enter the wider culture after World War Two. Al Smith's Catholicism is generally regarded as what made it impossible for him to win the Presidency prior to the war. An early Casper politician of Irish extraction was controversial in the town's Catholic community because of the distance he put between himself and his religion. The first Catholic Governor of Wyoming was probably Frank A. Barrett, who was a devout Catholic who went on to become the state's U.S. Senator thereafter. Joe Hickey, another Catholic came after him. Both Barrett and Hickey were Governors in the 1950s. Of course, Kennedy broke the dam in 1960, but in part by pledging basically not to let his Catholicism influence him, which was a despicable pledge.
Vance hasn't pledged that.
The only U.S. Army generals known to be Catholic during World War Two, we might note, were Lieutenant General John E. Hull and Major General Patrick J. Hurley. This fits into the culture of the professional military class at the time and it might be noted that the first Jewish general in the U.S. Army, Maurice Rose, was a practicing Episcopalian. Patton, often noted to be very devout, was an Episcopalian, as was Marshall.
Anyhow, as noted, it's not the case that Catholics feel all non Catholics are going to Hell as they are not Catholic, and Catholics certainly do not believe that all Catholics are going to Heaven as they are Catholic. Rather, Catholics believe that the Catholic Church, which is the oldest and original form of Christianity, is the church Christ founded and the one entrusted with the instruments of salvation. In some ways, everyone who is ultimately saved is saved in some way because of the Catholic Church. As, to use a mistranslation of von Balthasar's statement, we wish "for all men to be saved", we want everyone to be Catholics as that makes it much more assured.
This puts us way outside of the American Civil Religions' views that all religions, or perhaps all Christian religions with Judaism thrown in for good measure, are equal.
One thing it should also do, however, and recent conversions should help cradle Catholics to refocus on this, is to be concerned about people in our immediate orbit. Vance is basically doing that, but frankly he's in a bit of a tough spot because he and his wife married before his conversion.
Simply being in a marriage in which one member is a Catholic and the other is not, if the Catholic is a sincere Catholic, has some real challenges. Catholicism is different and even after decades the non Catholic spouse can be really surprised by the application of the Faith by the Catholic spouse. In "mixed" couples where the non Catholic spouse is a member of one of the churches that's very close to the Catholic Church this is less so, but even here I've known couples who attended Mass faithfully where one was a Catholic and the other a Lutheran, for instance, with the Lutheran never converting in spite of the two churches being so close.
As Yeoman's First Law of Human Behavior is a powerful force, general run of the mill Protestant spouses may attend Mass and support their Catholic spouse early on, but over a period time, simply stop attending as most Protestants aren't under a requirement to attend any service on a Sunday. That's inevitably extremely hard on the Catholic spouse who soldiers on. This has to be even more difficult in a situation such as Vance's in which the other spouse isn't even a member of a Christian religion at all.
Indeed, at one time Catholics were very much discouraged from marrying non Catholics, although its always occurred, and it was often a stipulation by the Catholic spouse that the other convert. I've known several Catholic couples where this was what happened, although I think it much less common now. The religion where this frequently occurs is the Mormon religion, which is not a Christian religion and which isn't compatible with any. Of note there, usually fallen away Mormons simply become intensely anti religious, rather than some other religion.
Catholics only marrying Catholics was a lot easier when Catholics pretty much were associated, culturally, only with other Catholics. That day is long gone, but there's still some wisdom to the old custom here. As with many things, the Catholic viewpoint on something like marriage is much different than the cultures, if taken seriously. Catholics married to non Catholics are adding weight to their cross, no matter what. And part of that weight is the hope the other spouse become Catholic.
Last weekend we ran Catholic Ross Douthat's interview with Doug Wilson. In his interview Douthat kept trying to pin Wilson down on whether there was a place for Catholics in Wilson's vision of a Calvinist theocratic United States. Wilson came down on yes, but he hedged his bets a fair amount.
The real answer to whether members of the New Apostolic Reformation feel that was has been provided by Super Bowl LX.
I don't like football at all. I won't be watching the halftime game which I always find to be much like professional football itself, grossly overblown. But it does provide a weathervane to the culture. The music associated with professional football shows very much who football feels to be the up and coming audience.
The performer chosen was "Bad Bunny".
Bad Bunny is one Benito Antonio Martínez Ocasio. He was born in Puerto Rico. He sings in Spanish.
Well the late Charlie Kirk's Turning Point USA is having none of it. It's going to offer its own “All American Halftime Show”.
Oscasio is an American. Puerto Ricans have been since March 2, 1917. They're fully American, and frankly, Puerto Rico ought to be granted statehood, there being absolutely no good reason for it not being a U.S. State at this point. And, Oscasio is a Christian. He's a Catholic, whose mother is apparently very devout.
Here's the thing. Turning Point USA is exhibiting a populist far right Freudian Slip. Some members of the organization are just too ignorant to know either of these points, but some know them and don't believe that Puerto Ricans are "real" Americans, or that Catholics are Christians.
The last point is particularly ironic. Lots in the Evangelical far right like to say they're "Bible Believing" Christians, by which they mean sola scriptura Christians. Sola Scriptura is itself Biblically indefensible as St. Paul informed the Thessalonians that they should stand firm in the "traditions" that they had been brought, indicating that there were in fact traditions already. We know now what those traditions were, as Christians had been writing many of them down in other texts that didn't end up in the Bible almost from the very beginning. But more ironic yet is this, the Bible is a Catholic book.
This isn't a matter for debate. It just is. We know how the books of the Bible came about, who wrote them, and what they believed. There was, at the time, just one "holy, catholic and apostolic church", and that was the Catholic Church. You can add the Orthodox churches to this list today as they directly descend from it. But in a strict sense, members of various Evangelical churches don't fit into this category. Indeed, fear of not fitting into it by various Protestant groups has lead some of them to claim membership all along, such as various branches of the Lutheran, Anglican and Methodist churches. They don't dispute that the Catholics and Orthodox are direct descendants of the original Catholic Church, and indeed, they agree that the Catholic Church is the uninterrupted Christian church that Christ founded. Evangelical churches that don't hold that view are frankly ignorant on this point.
But they are persistent in their ignorance. So much so, that many of them don't believe that the original Christians, the Catholics, are Christians at all.
We put the Bible together, and the New Testament was written by inspired Catholic authors, but they ignore that.
As I've noted before, and as Wilson conceded, this is a Protestant nation and moreover Wilson was also right that it was founded as a Calvinist one. That's a major reason that for much of this country's history the Irish, Italians, and other Catholics were detested and even regarded as a separate race. It's part of why Hispanics are regarded as a separate race today. Stripped of his fishing tackle piercings, Bad Bunny could look like a Spanish Conquistador. . . not a "Pilgrim".
Something about the election of Barrack Obama really brought out latent racism in this country. The Obergefell decision really unleashed a deep dormant conservatism in the population, but one that followed the American Civil Religion rather than real Christianity. The New Apostolic Reformation took advantage of that and has been advancing its cause under the radar, until recently, when it started doing it more openly, although still not so openly that the fact that we're in the midst of a Christian Nationalist coup right now is appreciated. Quite a few conservative Catholics, not really well schooled in what far right Evangelical Christians believe, or just badly catechized themselves, have joyously gone along with it, as it seems to address, and to some degree if fact addresses, the cultural rot that has set in, in the Western world.
This looks pretty good. Frankly, it would have been a really good option for Fridays for Catholics, and well it still is a really good option for Catholics on Fridays.
Almost (well probably all, up until now) of the religion blogs linked in here are Catholic. There is, of course, a reason for that. I'm a Catholic.
Anyhow, I recently put in a blog link to a protestant (Episcopal) one as it's a really broad blog. It does have religious content, of course, but a lot more. Anyhow, in its religious content is this item:
I think this may sum up Kirk's religious legacy as much as anything.
I've noted that it appears that Kirk was headed towards Catholicism, and he was. What I didn't know is that he'd lead his wife away from it. This is more of a problem for her soul than for his, but it would appear that she was coming back, but hasn't quite made it yet. She likely will. Jewish novelist Herman Wouk noted in his novel The Caine Mutiny, about the young WASP Naval officers love interests that lapsed Catholics, such as the love interest, had a way of suddenly and devoutly returning to the Faith. I've noticed that in people I've known myself. Catholicism is the original Christian religion, and frankly it's hard not to accept that the more you know of it, which is why entire "Bible Believing" Protestant churches will convert when they go down the road of really studying the Faith.
Anyhow, there's been a bit of an effort, an innocent one, of some Catholics to basically claim Kirk as almost a Catholic. I don't know how far down that road he'd gotten. He was traveling it, but if we're honest about it, and we should be, his legacy, because it was cut short, will be an Evangelical Protestant one.
And that's why his death has become such a huge deal in this political climate, where as others would likely not have been.
Friday, October 3, 2025
Reginald Pole, the last actual Archbishop of Canterbury, in case you were wondering.
There hasn't been a legitimate one since, in absolute terms.
Jones was an interesting figure. He started university as a pre med major but switched to drama prior to entering the Army. He had considered a career in the service, but a conversion to Catholicism influenced him to leave the Army as he claimed that Shakespeare and the Catholic Church were the only things in his life that were not geared towards killing.
He played many roles, but is probably best remembered for either being Darth Vader by some, or Terence Mann in Field of Dreams.
He was a fairly private man rarely speaking of his private life, but he did late in life reveal a diabetic condition which plagued him and he was a devout Catholic, albeit with potentially irregular marriages, dating back to his time in the Army.
Famous cover of the National Lampoon, used under the Fair Use doctrine to illustrate the Trump regime's tactics on the budget negotiation. Oddly enough, the dog was actually shot and killed by an unknown person in rural Pennsylvania, where its owner lived.
If this all seems familiar, it's because we went through this once before with under the Trump regime. Chuck Schumer, in his political dotage, didn't really know what to do, which has characterized his leadership of Senate Democrats since Trump's illegitimacy in general. The basic hope was that Trump would suddenly start acting semi normal. Since that time, he's acted more abnormal.
The GOP rails against Democrats being Marxist, Socialist, Communists, Fascist, Monarchist, Muslims most of the time, but now wants them to pay nice on a continuing funding resolution that, they say, will give them seven more weeks to work out a budget. The last budget, The Big Ugly, is so unpopular that the GOP is working on changing its name.
The risk here is who the public blames the looming government shutdown on. Republicans are already trying to blame the Democrats, even though they refuse to give the concessions the Democrats are seeking. Trump, whose "art of the deal" style of business tends to be all pressure base, is responding by saying he'll fire Federal workers.
Quite a few members of the populist far right will cheer that, at least up until it impacts them.
Democrats are accusing Trump of acting like a mob boss, and not without reason. His negotiation style often seems to resemble one.
Somebody is getting an offer they can't refuse.
And speaking of that. . .
This is a nice look at a grim topic.
Trump isn't supporting releasing the government's files on Jeffrey Epstein as somebody is getting protected, and that somebody is afraid. We don't know who it is, but that's fairly clearly what's going on.
Somebody close enough to the Oval Office to impact it was screwing underaged girls provided by Epstein. Maybe it's a collection of somebodies. Or/and somebody is being blackmailed.
On this, efforts that seem designed to divert attention from this are getting just sillier.
Whoever the somebody is, they're wealthy.
The Democrats did release a new list of names of people who were pondered as flight passengers to Epstein Island, which included Elon Musk, Peter Thiel and Steve Bannon. Musk has denied every going there, and his denial is likely completely backed up. It may be the case than none of these individuals went there, or if they did, they didn't do any kiddie diddling.
Still, it's clear that Epstein got rich as a procurer and it's nearly impossible to believe that everyone who went there didn't know something was going on. Epstein was targeting the rich. The video claims he was blackmailing them. Somebody is being protected right now, or perhaps blackmailed.
More and more unsound
Robert Reich posted this item the other day
Having seen dementia up close, I keep wondering the same thing. Trump is increasingly demented.
Have you ever been in the house of a demented person? It's demented. And that's what's occurring to our entire government right now.
We are on increasingly dangerous territory. Those on the right largely want to keep claiming that we're just not used to Trump's unconventional management style, which is correct as he's slipping into dementia and we haven't had to contend with that in any fashion since Ronald Reagan, who was demonstrating signs of it in his last term. Reagan seemed ancient at 77, two years younger than Trump is now, when he left office.
A sign that we're in a dangerous area is the increasingly obvious fact that other people are suddenly really prominent in a way that they were not before. Steven Miller is an example. Miller is impossible to like but he's now very much in the forefront. J. D. Vance has reemerged quite a bit as well.
Some have asserted that in Reagan's decline Nancy Reagan took over some of his roles behind the scenes. This definitely happened when Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and Edith stepped up to the plate. As Franklin Roosevelt declined nothing like that happened, but then he didn't have mental lapses.
We can be rest assured that Melania isn't going to step in. The question is who is, and what are they doing right now.
Stake Center Shooting
We've become so acclimated to bizarre murders that it seems the news on the LDS Stake Center shooting in Grand Blanc, Michigan, has already cycled. Maybe it should have, as stories like this are local stories.
While we really ought not to notice it, we'll go ahead and note anyhow that in stories involving the LDS the Press, and politicians, clearly shows it knows nearly nothing about them. Almost all the Press reported the attack as being on a church, which isn't the way the Mormons characterize this, the most common variety of their religious structures. That probably doesn't matter but it'd be sort of like calling a synagogue or a mosque a church.
Some politicians were quick to claim it demonstrated increasing violence against Christians, which they've wanted to claim about the Kirk assassination as well. Trump, for instance, stated ""yet another targeted attack on Christians in the United States of America". Kirk seems to have been murdered because he spoke against transgenderism, not for an expressed religious position, but I suppose you could argue that his opposition to transgenderism was based on his faith, although that would be a rather underdeveloped argument.
The thing is, at least right now, is that we seem to have no idea whatsoever why this guy attacked the Grand Blanc stake center. Mormons actually are not regarded as Christians by at least Apostolic Christians, who are the first and original Christians, as their theology doesn't support it. Mormons do assert they're Christians, but they certainly do not believe in a Trinitarian God like Christians do. Indeed, their belief is so significantly different that an informed Christian really can't regard them as Christians, which doesn't have much to do with how they view themselves.
Anyhow, if the location was picked out more or less at random, well then it might have been targeting Christians. Or it might be an act targeted specifically at Mormons for some reason. Or this guy may just have been flat out insane.
As an aside, however, it's interesting to note the degree to which outside of the West, and more particularly outside of the Jello Belt, most people sort of assume that the LDS are sort of just very clean dressing Protestants or something. This isn't casting aspersions, but it reminds me of the occasionally questions I'll hear directed as Jews by really ill informed Americans which assumes that Judaism is basically a Christian religion.
And the speculating probably ought to cease until we have an idea about what was going on, which might never occur.
The first storm
The first of the storms we wrote about on Sunday will hit Quantico today. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth will address the flag officers.
Reporting so far is that Hegseth is just going to deliver a pep talk, in which case this is the most expensive example of boring people for no reason in the history of mankind. I continue to suspect that more than that will occur.
Probably not what Hegseth will sound like later today.
We want our symbols back, dude.
Speaking of the wannabe War Secretary, we've noted here before that Hegseth is all tatted up. Indeed, we noted that in an earlier version of this trailing thread, in which we stated:
We also very recently had an article on Christian Dominionism.
Because of that I'll note use of these symbols by far right Evangelicals, and frankly Protestants in general, is cultural appropriation. If you dig what these convey, look into what the originally conveyed and study up. You won't remain in the New Apostolic Reformation camp for long.
Persistent cultural appropriation.
Bai-De-Schluch-A-Ichin or Be-Ich-Schluck-Ich-In-Et-Tzuzzigi (Slender Silversmith) "Metal Beater," Navajo silversmith, photo by George Ben Wittick, 1883
While I'm at it, I'll note that there's a politician I'm aware of who consistently angles for the Navajo jewelry look.
I guess that's the person's look, its just so persistent, black clothing with turquoise jewelry, that it's hard not to notice. Perhaps its meant to look Western, which if that's the case, it sort of does, but it looks Southwestern. And a person in this era needs to be, or should be, careful about that as the gulf between the regions Republican politics and Reservation views is growing a great deal.
Indeed, I've been wondering if we'll see Lynette Gray Bull run again for office locally. My prediction is that if she does, Harriet Hageman will not debate her.
My further prediction is that if Hageman is challenged from the center of her party, which is admittedly on the decline, she'll suffer a whopping defeat.
Remember Wounded Knee
Finally, Wounded Knee has certainly been back in the news, thanks to Hegseth.
What's going on here anyhow? It seems like an effort to turn back the clock in a way, but to what point on the dial? 1915? 1945? 1955?
Finally, some really important news.
Blackpink member member Lisa went to the Louis Viton fashion show in Paris.
Why can't se have Congress people who look like Lisa from Blackpink? Shoot, if we're aiming for cultural appropriation, given Kawaii a chance.
And Bad Bunny will sing at the Stupor Bowl.
I'm sure I will not watch that, but a coworker of mine loves Bad Bunny. I don't know why he's a bad bunny, and I'm not particularly inclined to find out, but I guess the Hispanic singer has been avoiding the mainland US due to the Sturmabteilung so it's a big deal to his fans.
Postscript:
Watching Patton one too many times.
Behind the stage on which Hegseth and Trump were expected to speak was a large American flag, with banners showing the words "strength, service, America" and the various flags of the armed services on either side.
Oh geez, now Donald Babbler is making an appearance and the stage is seemingly decked out like the opener of the movie Patton.
This just piles absurdity upon absurdity.
My prediction is the Trump speech will sound something like this:
And Hegseth's? It'll be rah rah, but when it falls flat, the next speech will be:
On a matter of serious concern, however, this is extraordinarily weird, but then much of what this administration does is extraordinarily weird. Still there's a little reason to worry that this regime is concerned that the military's senior leaders are not going to endlessly back illegality.
I have to wonder what it's like to get a rah rah speech from a guy who, when his country was calling, when to the doctor's office. Oh well.
More Kirk
I meant to put this up above, but I thought this interesting:
Because I paid so little attention to Kirk when he was alive, I still don't know what to make of the post mortems
Fr. Joseph Krupp, whose podcast and blog I follow, was a Kirk fan and had an interesting episode on him. He stated that Kirk was basically a middle of the road Republican by most measures up until our current times, when middle of the road, in his view, is regarded as right wing extreme. I'd agree that Kirk's views on things like transgenderism are in fact pretty average, up until quite recently.
Having said that, I also heard Kirk say that somebody should raise the bail money to bail out the person who attack Nancy Pelosi's husband, back after he was attacked. That's a flat out evil thing to say.
At any rate, I really think Cardinal Dolan let things carry him away. Kirk a modern day St. Paul? I don't think so. I suppose Cardinal Dolan meant that Kirk was killed for saying things that are true but unpopular, but St. Paul never excused violence.
As noted here the other day, I think that Catholics have to be really careful about embracing figures from the Evangelical right, which Kirk was. Kirk was headed into Catholicism pretty clearly, but hadn't yet made it there. Assuming he was a Catholic figure may be assuming too much and embracing Dominionism is assuming too much.
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