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Monday, March 2, 2026

CliffsNotes of the Zeitgeist, 121st Edition and Wars and Rumors of War, 2026. Part 3. The War against Iran Edition and other Military Topics.


Alexander Mosaic, House of the Faun, Pompeii.  Alexander the Great fighting the Persians.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

Matthew, Chapter 24.

Give me the money that has been spent in war, and I will purchase every foot of land upon the globe. I will clothe every man, woman, and child in an attire that kings and queens would be proud of; I will build a school-house upon every valley over the whole habitable earth; I will supply that school house with a competent teacher; I will build an academy in every town, and endow it; a college in every state, and fill it with able Professors; I will crown every hill with a church consecrated to the promulgation of the gospel of peace; I will support in its pulpit an able teacher of righteousness, so that on every Sabbath morning the chime on one hill should answer to the chime on another, around the earth's broad circumference; and the voice of prayer and the song of praise should ascend like a universal holocaust to heaven. 

Charles Sumner, c.1840

Quand les riches font la guerre, ce sont les pauvres qui meurent.

Jean Paul Sartre

March 2, 2026

The US and Israel v. Iran War.

Even before the weekend news show hits, the Administration and its GOP proxies were trying to form a theory of why the US, in concert with Israel, had attacked Iran.

Why Israel did it is fairly clear.  The Islamic Republic of Iran is a mortal enemy of Israel and an existential threat.  The fact that the US was going to war with Iran gave it a great opportunity.  And not just Israel, according to some information that seems fairly credible, at least Saudi Arabia saw things the exact same way, sort of. 

In both instances, those conflicts were religious in nature, at least form Iran's prospective.  Iran sees the world in apocalyptic terms and a struggle against Israel is a part of that weltanschauung.  Iran sees Saudi Arabia as representing Sunni Islam, and a virulent variant of it at that.  In fact, Saudi Arabia was in fact allied internally with Wahhabism, although that's long ceased to be the case.  Be that as it may, Sunni Islam and Shia Islam depart from each other radically and have been enemies since the latter first formed.  For that matter, Persia and the Arabs have been enemies for ever.  Persia was a major civilized empire before Islam, and it knows it.  Persia, Iran, could be a great nation without Islam, and it knows that.

But what about the United States?

According to the befuddled Donald Trump we attacked Iran, because, well it was a big honking monster threat to us.  The thing is, that dog didn't really hunt.

Two Salukis, Persian hounds, painted by the Xuande Emperor of China (1399–1435)

They were going to have a nuclear weapons, Donny told us, with in the next two weeks.  But then, it was realized, that would mean the befuddled Donny, dressed like a toddler in his trucker's cap, had been wrong when he told us that we'd bombed Iran back to the nuclear stone age in what is now being called the Twelve Day War.  

Oops.

Well, explanations for that being wrong, other than Trump Is Always Wrong, needed to be found, as the GOP mantra worships Trump almost as much as Trump worships Trump.

They were fibbing in negotiations over the nuclear weapons program we destroyed was tried next, was the next thing.

They were going to have missiles that could hit the US was tried, but it was pretty quickly revealed that at some point they might, but it would be years from now, plenty of time to go to Congress and ask for a declaration of war.  Well, they were going to have missiles that could hit Europe, which is much more credible, but the problem is that the Europeans, whom we've been telling need to fend for themselves, have had a "m'eh" reaction to that.  The country that really can hit Europe with missiles, and has a demonstrated ability to do it, Russia, which Trump has a crush on so large that it probably looms larger in his nighttime dreams than Melania, who of course is mostly in New York, helicoptering over Barron, whom we might note will not be joining the Armed Forces to serve in this war, putting him in good company with the ancestral Trumps.  Since Frederick Trump first set foot in the United States, the Trumps have missed the Spanish American War, the Philippine Insurrection, World War One, World War Two, the Korean war and the Vietnam War, a record few American families could match, including my own.*

Anyhow, that dog wasn't going to hunt either, so a new one had to be developed. 

 Neapolitan Mastiff.  Indeed, the modern foundational Neapolitan Mastiff.  Mastiffs are war dogs, of the "let slip the dog's of war" type.  The only one I've been personally familiar with was enormously cowardly.

Finally, the "they've been at war with us for forty seven years" thesis was come up with.

Well, I'll give whoever came up with that some credit.  There's really something to it.  Iran's Shia clerical state has been at war with the rest of the world for more or less something like forty years.

Which raises this point.  Up until now it was just our strategy to wait that out. . . and it was working pretty well.

Cleary, things had not reached a point where all of a sudden we needed to go to war on an emergency basis with Iran.  And under the U.S. Constitution, this excuse is complete horseshit.  In order to deploy force like this, in this way, we would have had to have been suddenly attacked.

We weren't.

This was completely illegal.

Not only that, it was highly ill advised. If Iran has been plotting against us for 47 years, it's had plenty of time to prepare for this day, and so far, it's been fighting back pretty well.  Our burn rate of high tech munitions is unsustainable.  It's burn rate on missiles might frankly not be.  And its allied, for all practical purposes, with Russia.  We're allied with Israel, which frankly depends on us for military support.

This was not smart.

We're going to be hit domestically.  Iran is capable of waging an asymmetric war and will.  It may have started that, in Austin, today.  It's believed that it has targeted Trump in the past.  If so, it will now, and there's no reason to believe it'll only target Trump.

The irony is, of course, that its likely not Trump who causes this to occur.  While not meaning this to sound the way it might, Israel, knowing that Trump is a demented fool, may very well have played the sad bloated corpse of the once playboy, now hoping for redemption and to be remembered, twit. Saudi Arabia may very well have as well. And then there's Pete Hegseth and Mike Huckabee, holding variant of Christian beliefs that Apostolic Christians, back during the Crusades, would have regarded as heretical.  They may have thrown us into a holy war that we'll pay for, for decades.

At least it will be an American Evangelical Protestant Crusade.  Due to the Black Legends, a common Protestant, and then atheist, argument stopper has been "what about the Crusades".

Well, MAGA, now you are the Crusader you imagined we were, even though we were never that.

At the end of the day, nobody publicly knows why we attacked Iran.  The best guess is that it's a combination of Neo Conservatives (Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz), foreign influence (Israel and Saudi Arabia) and far right Evangelicals trying to being about the end of the world (Huckabee and Hegseth).

All brought about illegally and through influence on a very weak mind, that being Donald Trump's.

Oh, 150 Iranian school girls were murdered for this.  

May the perpetual light shine upon them. Some of them were probably Christian.

Pete Hegseth, cultural warrior.

Heavily tatted Pete Hegseth, emblazed with Crusader images, but whom the Catholics of the Crusades, and the Orthodox through whose lands the Crusaders traveled would have regarded as a weird heretic, was busy, just before Donny launched a war against Iran, in the Culture Wars.

First, he engaged in a skirmish with wokeism and the Boy Scouts.

We're not completely unsympathetic with this.  We've noted this cultural zeitgeist before.

Boy Scouts no more.


It does seem to us, quite frankly, that the Boy Scouts, which we have very little personal connection, have evolved into being somewhat less than it was.  It's less manly, it seems.  And it definitely isn't the example of Muscular Christianity it once was. However, it seems to be an odd thing for Hegseth, who doesn't seem to have a sports coat that fits, to be engaged in so close in time to a major war being launched. Indeed, it seems a bit odd for the Secretary of Defense to care about this at all, but maybe Boy Scout interactions with the military are greater than I suppose.  I'd have had to have been a Boy Scout near a military post to know, I suppose.  I know a friend of mine, who was a Scout growing up in an Air Force family in the 70s related to me that all of their leaders were Air Force members and they always had Air Force tentage when they were camping.

On a related matter, Hegseth clearly wants women out of combat roles.  This war, given as its a real one, gives him the opportunity to do that.  It's going to be his last opportunity as well.  The political tides are shifting.  In November, the opportunity will be gone. 

Somebody seemed to back Hegseth down, after which he went on to picking on the Ivy League.

I frankly didn't realize that Pete's an Ivy League graduate himself.  Princeton. It really surprises me.

Which brings me to this.  I think, that MAGA hates education in general. They Wyoming Freedom Caucus seems to. And if Hegseth, Cruz, Trump and Chuck Gray can come out of such vaunted schools and still be so blistering ignorant as they seem to be, it really backs up my long held opinion that the Ivy League and associated schools are a dumpster fire, but not for the reason that Pete and company would hold it.

Rather, they just aren't doing a good job of educating.  Look at Trump and Hegseth. It's hard to believe they have more than 5th grade education.  Or Chuck Gray.  He comes across like a 7th grade brat.

Diverting

Back on Trump, while I completely discounted it for a long time, it's getting hard to ignore that the US is getting into more and more grave matters as the Epstein files begin to hit closer and closer to home.  The thesis that some hold that Trump is creating diversions is getting a little hard to ignore.

People keep saying, even now, that there's nothing "to implicate" Trump.  Oh bull, there most certainly is. There's apparently direct testimony of his "abusing", which means screwing, a teenage girl.  No, I'm not saying he did it, but the information we already have about who he hung around with is pretty damming.  And his conduct with adult women has been less than admirable.  Even that gets ignored, however, for no good reason.  There's no reason to believe that Carol Alt is lying about being groped by Trump, for example, but people ignore it.

We've dealt with it before, but if Trump didn't have his hands in the underaged cookie jar it would have been an act of restraint for a guy who otherwise has shown no restraint. It might be time to start really looking at these claims vis a vis Epstein.

But then there's a war going on.

Speaking of underaged girls, one of the first things that happened in the war against Iran was a school was hit and 150 girls were killed.

There's always collateral damage in war, to be sure, but this war wasn't legally launched.  Killing those girls, therefore, is something akin to manslaughter, if the US did it.  It'll go unpunished however.

Noblis Oblige

Theodore Roosevelt's sons served in World War One, and World War Two, one winning the Congressional Medal of Honor.  FDR's sons served in the Second World War. Beau Biden served in Iraq.

This war gives the Trumps to finally serve the nation.  They sure haven't done so, so far.  At least Eric, Tiffany and Barron are young enough to serve.

They should.

They won't.

Americans have already died in the war.  Nobody who dies will be a Trump.

It's probably fairly safe to assume that most of the children of those who visited Epstein Island won't be serving in harms way.

Footnotes:  

*My father served in the Korean War.  One of my mother's cousins served in Vietnam and he wasn't even an American citizen.  I have uncles who served in World War Two and great uncles who served in World War One, albeit in the Canadian Army.  One of my Canadian uncles served in World War Two as well.

Last edition:

Wars and Rumors of War, 2026. Part 2. Quand les riches font la guerre, ce sont les pauvres qui meurent Edition.



Monday, February 16, 2026

Saturday, February 16, 1946. Potato consumption. Frozen food. Helicopters.

Frozen french fries were introduced by Maxson Food Systems of Long Island, New York.

From time to time, we'll have these a lot.

American per-capita potato consumption had interestingly declined since 1910, and was not measured at previous levels until 1962, when french fries were a fast-food restaurant staple.

I would not have guessed that, or frankly anything close to that.

Indeed a decline from 1910 to 1962 really surprises me.

I personally used to grow large volumes of potatoes, picking up where my later father had left off.  Maybe because its because I'm more Irish than most Irish, but I love them.

An item on frying fries:

Chugwater Fry-Off: Are Beef Tallow French Fries Really Better?

The first UN Security Council veto was made by the Soviet Union, killing a resolution concerning the withdrawal of British and French forces from Syria and Lebanon, while it still occupied parts of Iran.  Basically, the Soviet Union wanted the British and French out of Syria and Lebanon (which really was a French thing) while they still had their claws in Eastern Europe, North Korea, Sakhalin, and Iran.

They'd leave Iran, and with the fall of the Soviet Union, they'd leave many other places as well. With the Russo Ukrainian War, they're trying to claw their way back in, however ,and they've never left Sakahlian.

The Sikorsky S-51, the first helicopter sold for commercial rather than military use, although it received military use, was flown for the first time.


The chopper would be manufactured until the late 1950s.

By United States Navy - Scanned from Alexander, Joseph H., Fleet Operations in a Mobile War: September 1950-June 1951, Washington, D.C.: Naval Historical Center, Department of the Navy, 2001, p. 39., Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=72961678

There was major news on the strike wave:


A Denver merchant noted the anniversary of Scouting:


Last edition:

Thursday, February 14, 1946. ENIAC.

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Friday, August 9, 2024

Saturday, August 9, 1924. Summer events.

 


The 2nd World Scout Jamboree commenced in Denmark.

We noted the huge Seventh Day Adventist International Pathfinder Campfire Camporee being held in Gillette here just yesterday.

The Saturday magazines were out.

Colliers went with a cat making mischief image.


Everyone else seemed to go with a swimming theme.




Last edition:

Tuesday, August 5, 1924. Little Orphan Annie appears.

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Tuesday, July 9, 2024

Wednesday, July 9, 1924. John W. Davis nominated.

John W. Davis, former Congressman of West Virginia and little known until that time, became the Democratic nominee for President.  Charles W. Bryan of Nebraska was chosen as the VP candidate.

McAdoo withdrew reluctantly and bitterly, leaving the Democrats divided.

Calvin Coolidge Jr. was laid to rest.





Columbia recognized Panama.

Last edition:

Monday, July 7, 1924. The death of Calvin Coolidge, Jr.

Sunday, June 16, 2024

June 16, 1924. The end of the Lone Scouts.

 



The Lone Scouts of America, which had been formed in 1915, merged with the Boy Scouts of America.

Founded as a Scouting organization, the LSA was formed by W. D. Boyce, publisher of the Chicago Ledger and the Saturday Blade.  Bryce was of the view that the BSA didn't help rural boys as the BSA wasn't attracting enough young males to the organization, backing up something that I said here the toher day. . . Scouting was an urban, not a rural, movement.

James West of the early BSA disagreed with Bryce on an organization being needed, as he felt that 4H fulfilled the needs of rural youth.

Lone Scouts were just that, lone.  No leaders were required, although LSA members could form "tribes" if there were other members nearby. Or they could form a "mail tribe" and interact in that fashion. All members received The Lone Scout in the mail.  In 1924 a radio program was added. No uniforms existed until World War One, when the Lone Scout Supply Company was created to form one.

Racism appeared in 1922 when the organization determined to no longer accept black youth.  In that same year, the masthead of The Lone Scout changed from "A Real Boys Magazine" to "The White Boys' Magazine."

The merger came about due to the persistence of the Boy Scouts, which thereafter ran a "lone scout" program, although many of the LSA members dropped out.  When Cub Scouts were added in 1930, a Lone Cub Scouting program was also added.  The program still exists today, with the requirements being, according to Scouting USA:
The Lone Scout plan is a way for any youth ages 7 to 10 (or who is in the first through fifth grades) to become a Lone Cub Scout; or ages 11 to 17 to become a Lone Scouts BSA member. A youth applies for membership as an individual Lone Scout only if he or she cannot conveniently join a Cub Scout pack or Scouts BSA troop.
Scouting was a big deal, so it's not too surprising to find that some famous personalities had been Lone Scouts.  Burl Ives, who we mentioned the other day, was.  Also in the organization were Broderick Crawford, Douglas Fairbanks, Jr., Orval Faubus, Hubert Humphrey; Fred MacMurray, and Harry Morgan.

King Victor Emmanuel III held an extraordinary council to discuss the Matteotti crisis.  Mussolini's grasp on power appeared to be slipping.

Last prior edition:

Friday, June 7, 2024

Saturday, June 7, 1924. Signing bills.

Interestingly related to something we recently posted, photographs of Boy Scouts participating in contests on this day in 1924.


The Clarke-McNary Act went into effect, making it easier for the Federal Government to purchase land to expand the National Forest System.


President Coolidge signed the Cameron Bill authorizing Coolidge Dam.

President Coolidge signed the Anti Heroin Act of 1924 prohibiting the importation and possession of opium for the chemical synthesis of the addictive narcotic known as diamorphine, i.e, heroin.

President Coolidge signed the Oil Pollution Act of 1924 concerning the discharge of petroleum from ships.

It was Saturday and the weekend magazines were out.  The Country Gentleman featured a June Bride.


In a shocking contrast, located by Michaelnoir of the 100 Years Ago Subreddit, Judge featured this:


The Saturday Evening Post featured a daydreaming accountant.

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Sunday, June 2, 2024

Boy Scouts no more.

 

The Boy Scouts of America is changing its name to Scouting America

Boy Scouts of America has announced it will rebrand as Scouting America, which, if media impressions are any measure, is a very big deal. Within days of the announcement, the collective online impressions of the news surpassed 14 million, according to the organization — a staggering figure that underscores the institution’s widespread influence.

Article in the Tribune. 

Does it really suggest the "institution's widespread influence", or its tragic decline from what had been that influence?

I teed this up quite a while back and since that time the Southern Rockies Nature Blog, which is linked in here, has a really nice and personal blog entries on this item, entitled Bye Bye Boy Scouts.  I can't really say goodbye to the Scouts that way, as I never was much of a Scout.

Usually I say I was never a Boy Scout, but that's not true.  I was briefly.  Probably around when I was in 6th Grade, or at whatever point it is when a person goes from Cub Scout to Boy Scout, when there were Boy Scouts.  I didn't really last long in it, and it's hard to say exactly why.  Part of it was, I think, as they group I was in, while they did do things, was slow to get around to doing them.  The several merit badges I earned while I was in, I just picked out and did by myself.  That "by myself" thing probably had a lot to do with it also, as by this time my lifelong introvert nature was firmly set in, and unless compelled by external forces or acclimated by long exposure to a group, you'll feel uncomfortable in a group.  Usually I say that I'm "not much of a joiner", with this being, I think, part of it.

Another part may simply be that I'm highly rural and was then.



We don't tend to think of it this way, but Scouting was an urban movement.1   Aware of the inadequacy of young British men in the Boer War, Lord Baden-Powell, who after the war became the British Army's Chief of Cavalry, founded the Boy Scouts.  The idea was twofold, those being 1) British boys had become a bunch of anemic unskilled wimps who needed some manning up from nature, and 2) British boys had become a bunch of anemic unskilled reprobates who needed some Muscular Christianity.

The original organization had no place for girls.  Girls wanted to participate in things, and soon had their own organizations.  The two didn't mix.

And frankly it didn't mix for good reason There are such things as manly, and womanly virtues.  Much of what the original Boy Scouts sought to address was spot on in its observations, and Scouting did a really good job of addressing them.  Often affiliated with churches, Scouting groups were successful in teaching boys a lot of valuable outdoor skills that often stuck with them for life, and they were benefitted in that goal by the absence of girls, who at a bare minimum are extremely distracting to boys and young men.  Given their natures, young women are usually, although not always, much less distracted by young men.

There's been a lot written on the decline of the Boy Scouts, and there are various theories about it.  One of the blogs linked in here, The Southern Rockies Nature Blog, has an article about it that's worth checking out.  Whatever it was that brought it to its current state, it was still a pretty strong organization in the 1970s, when I had my brief association with it. At that time, even in the rural West, a lot of boys were part of it, and for that matter quite a few of their fathers had a strong association with it.  Being in the Boy Scouts (which my father never was), was part of a multi generational thing.

Signs of decline were there even then.  Of my good friends, only one was a Boy Scout, which his father had been.  Another had a father who had a strong history of Scouting, but my friend wasn't in it.  I was in a youth organization in my early teens, but it was the Civil Air Patrol, which with its martial aviation theme was a completely different type of organization.  Rural kids, of whom I knew a lot, tended to be in the FFA, which had direct practical application to them.

I wish I could pinpoint what was going on, but I really can't.  I've tried to do so here before, and probably haven't been successful.  Looking at the topics addressed in this thread, however, I think part of it may have been that in the post World War Two era that went into the 1970s, the retained gaze upon the rural really faded.  Even television reflected that as programming went from the rural focused on the 1960s, such as The Andy Griffith Show, The Beverley Hillbillies, and Green Acres, the last two of which anticipated the change, to urban centric dramas such as Newhart, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, WKRP In Cincinnati, etc.  Americans had been moving into the cities for a long time, but suddenly they quit looking outside of them.  Even a gritty urban environment depicted in something like The French Connection was celebrated in a way.  It's notable that a figure like Clint Eastwood, who had come up in westerns, started appearing as Dirty Harry in urban California at the same time, and Dirty Harry, like Popeye Doyle, wasn't portrayed as any sort of Boy Scout.

The atmosphere of the late 60s also brought in destructive forces that we're still dealing with.  The resolute male admired and celebrated from the era of The Strenuous Life on to the Ballad of the Green Berets suddenly, in the Strauss Howe fashion, yielded to the feminized and marginalized male, at least in the dominant WASP culture.  It's never really recovered, and we can see some of the reactions to that playing out in society now.


In that atmosphere, Scouting attempted to adapt, but that's part of the problem.  The campaign hat went out, and the red beret came in.2 Out with the old, and in with the new.  The institution already had, however, its close association with Christianity and a sort of "goody two shoes" reputation.  It probably should have just doubled down on that and its rural focus, but it tried to adapt instead.

Like other institutions that were heavily male and which had become somewhat soft, it also began to be plagued, apparenlty, with male on male sexual conduct.

People hate to discuss this part, so the realities of this should be noted.  One of the byproducts of keeping boys and girls separate in Scouting is that it not only allowed boys to focus, but it kept boys and girls out of close proximity to each other. Scouting involves teenagers.  No matter how focused or watched, when male and female teenagers are together, some of them will misbehave in ways that create life changing byproducts.  A person only has to look at the expansion of the role of women in the military in order to appreciate this.3 

We already know that the largest group of abusers of teenagers in this fashion are teachers.  The decline in personal morality brought about by the Sexual Revolution helped unleash this, and I'd wager that a person could easily find a story of a teacher engaging in this conduct with a teenaged charge nearly every month.  I ran across one just last week, in which the assailant was a female teacher and the victim something like a mere 13 years old.  If this happens in an institution in which being discovered will result in the end of a career and jail time, and in which getting caught is highly likely, it's going to happen in situations in which this is much less discoverable.

Put bluntly, as the Muscular Christianity focus waned, the Sexual Revolution came on, and an overall feminization of society advanced, predatory homosexuality in the Boy Scouts became inevitable to some degree, and it had probably always been there at least to some extent.  It's customary at this point to note that not all homosexuals are predatory, and that only a minority are, which is absolutely true, but it happened.  That some people would let their behavior go in an all male setting shouldn't be any more surprising than those instances of male coaches preying on young teenage female athletes.  It's reprehensible, but without additional external controls, it was going to occur.

This helped cause Scouting's popularity to drop off massively, and not surprisingly. Parents quit encouraging their children to be Scouts.  Not really knowing what to do about it in the context of the culture, Scouting opened its doors to girls. This predictably hasn't helped, and it won't.  Scouting will, I'd guess, be largely taken over by girls, but it won't be an organization that Boy Scouts prior to the 1970s would recognize.

There's something to all male bonds between conventionally oriented males that is unalterably different from ones with women.  Probably our biology has a lot to do with it.  The mateship that exists in military units, for example, which are all male, is completely different from an organization that has even one female in it.

The larger tragedy is that the very thing that Scouting was created to address in the first place, in large measure, is probably need as much now as it was then.  The source of the problem is large the same, the urbanization of the country and the corrupting influence of urban life, combined with the absence of male roles, something that existed in the very early 20th Century and something that exists now, albeit for different reasons.  Scouting, by having gone first soft, and then semi feminized, is no longer the organization that it was, that addressed that.


Footnotes:

1. Recently I read Doug Crowe's book A Growing Season, which is extremely off color, but extremely interesting.  The back of the book, where the short review is, terms it a novel, but it isn't.  The figures in it are all real, I either know of them or actually knew some of them.

It occured to me in posting this that part of the reason that the Boy Scouts lost its appeal to me here is that in a highly rural setting the first purpose of scouting, to introduce the outdoors, will be taken up by those who have a strong affinity towards it, which most young men do, all on their own.  Going to Scouting events actually retards a person's ability to go outdoors and do what you want, with your young male associates, once somebody is of driving age, or at least it did then. As soon as somebody was 16, we were pretty much loose in the world.

As noted, not surprisingly, our companions in these forays were all male.  I can't recall going on an outdoor adventure of any kind with a female of my own age until I was at the University of Wyoming.  Nature segregates us in that fashion, even if society doesn't want us to.  As A Growing Season demonstrates, that certainly gives rise to opportunities to engage in vice, although did not in any serious fashion, and the few of my fellows who really fell into it did so, notably, in town.

2.  Only if troops adopted it, however.

3.  Without putting too fine a point on it, two women I know of who were justifiably very proud of their military service, and neither of which might be regarded as libertine, had early discharges from the service for this very reason, followed by the birth of their oldest child not long after.  The service with the biggest problem, seemingly, is the Navy, where close proxmity on ships has caused an alaraming pregnancy rate in some instances.

Related threads:

Youth organizations. Their Rise and (near) Fall, or is that a myth? And, did you join?






Blog Mirror: What Scouting Has Lost